1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,520 On this edition of Sightings, he's buried Pomeroy Castle, the most haunted place in England. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,000 You can see directly through her, it sounded like this. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 An exclusive sightings investigation. 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,200 There, can the moon drive us mad? 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,720 O.J. Simpson happened three days after the New Moon. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,480 The Bobbit incident happened three days after the New Moon. 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,480 Both at night, both years at night. 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,160 Also, practitioners give us a rare look inside the world of Santoria and Palo Meombe. 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,760 When you're dealing with us, elemental force is very dangerous. 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,840 Plus, is this the true face of aliens or a vision shaped by Hollywood? 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,640 I think it's very possible that these beings are able to control how we perceive them. 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,760 Later, these people have a special psychic connection that leads them to water. 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,760 I don't know of many well-drillers nowadays that don't use a witcher. 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,840 And what would you do if you encountered a ghost? 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,840 Be ready to get evidence. 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,160 You don't get tangible evidence of your haunting. 17 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,160 Welcome to Sightings. I'm Tim White. 18 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,160 With Halloween Fest approaching, there are ghosts and goblins in the air. 19 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,160 Well, at least the paper mache variety. 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:43,160 But in England, there's one ancient site where spirits and apparitions from the past seem to hang around all year long. 21 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:49,160 It's Barry Pomeroy Castle, and it's earned the title of Great Britain's most haunted landmark. 22 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:58,160 The whole thing really about this place is amazing, the ghosts that occur here. 23 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,160 We had a strange feeling there was something wrong. 24 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,160 It just started getting pretty weird. 25 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:09,160 It's always been very still, as though you're waiting for something to happen. 26 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:19,160 You learn to control your imagination, because at Barry Pomeroy, if you let your imagination run away with you, you could be a Raven Lunatic. 27 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,160 In its heyday, Barry Pomeroy Castle hosted princes, kings and crusaders. 28 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,160 Since 1688, no one has wanted to live within these walls. 29 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Visitors say there's something evil inside. 30 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,160 It sounded like this. 31 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:43,160 Ghostly shrieks are heard, ghoulish apparitions are seen, and photographs have captured the dark side of the castle. 32 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:49,160 The crumbling walls of this once great fortress are perched above the desolate moors that blanket southern England. 33 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:55,160 It is a land of ancient superstitions, defiled tombs and long abandoned graveyards. 34 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:03,160 It's just brooding and evil. The evil is there in the atmosphere. 35 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,160 But is it only atmosphere? 36 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:16,160 Sightings has teamed up with Tony Cornell, Great Britain's premier paranormal investigator for the first in-depth study ever conducted at Barry Pomeroy Castle. 37 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,160 In my view, it's one of the most interesting cases I think I've come across. 38 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,160 Basically because so many people have seen things and felt things. 39 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,160 You don't get that in all hauntings. You waste a lot of time. 40 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,160 There's enough evidence that I've heard that we've got to examine this. 41 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Cornell's first step was to gather historical and anecdotal data. 42 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:44,160 He sought out historian Derek Seymour, who has studied the ghostly presences here for more than 70 years. 43 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,160 Every day I thought of this castle. If it was a lovely sunny day, I used to think, 44 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,160 I wonder what it's looking like at the castle today. 45 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,160 If there was a thunderstorm and the wind was howling, I used to think, 46 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,160 I wouldn't like to be at the castle today. Oh no. 47 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,160 The best known ghost here is the white lady. 48 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,160 And the white lady is, of course, the unfortunate Lady Margaret, 49 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,160 who is seen to walk at the top of the stairs in that tower down in the dungeon. 50 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,160 She is really quite frequently seen. 51 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,160 folklore tells of two sisters in love with the same man. 52 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,160 Lady Margaret, the younger and more beautiful of the two, 53 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,160 was imprisoned in the castle's dungeon by her jealous sister. 54 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,160 There she starved to death. 55 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,160 Modern-day visitor Anne Benny recalls her encounter with the white lady. 56 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:38,160 When we first went down the stairs into the chamber, it was dark. 57 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,160 It was damp. And it wasn't a nice place to be. 58 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:50,160 But then this evil presence, you could sense it was evil. 59 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,160 I don't know how to describe it any other way, really. 60 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,160 And then I heard the footsteps very quick, very light. 61 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:02,160 And the closer she got, the more panic-stricken I felt. 62 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:07,160 I just wanted to get out of the place and not come back. 63 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,160 Tony Cornell walked the castle grounds with Jack Hazard, 64 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,160 the former master stone mason of Barry Palmeroy. 65 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,160 It was while working here in 1986 that Hazard captured 66 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,160 what many consider the most authentic photographic evidence of a ghostly presence here. 67 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,160 It started to rain and the wind started to blow. 68 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,160 And I thought there was something happening unusual. 69 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:37,160 So I got the disc camera out and I took five or six shots. 70 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,160 And under five of the prints, white shapes came out. 71 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,160 Whatever they were, I have no idea. But it was a most unusual Sunday morning. 72 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,160 Siding's also heard stories of a haunting blue lady. 73 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,160 She is thought to be the spirit of a 14th century palmeroy 74 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,160 who was raped by her father and then bore his child. 75 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,160 Legend has it that she murdered the child in a fit of shame and rage. 76 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:05,160 And this unfortunate child was strangled by the mother 77 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,160 who did not want it at all. 78 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,160 Now she's quite frequently seen. 79 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:16,160 She's very evil and people don't like the sight of her at all. 80 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,160 Visitors Simon Day and Tim King believe the apparition they saw 81 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,160 on a trip to the castle was the blue lady. 82 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,160 What we saw was a figure of an elderly woman. 83 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,160 She had a blue dress on, but you could see directly through her 84 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,160 and she was just staring at us. And as noise started. 85 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,160 But when you look in the direction where it actually happened, 86 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,160 you can't see a thing. There was nothing there. 87 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,160 It screeched and stopped. 88 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,160 And within a second it was in the bush next to us. 89 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,160 There was this frilly, amazing screech. 90 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,160 It scared the hell out of us. 91 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,160 And they felt there that there was a power far stronger than themselves 92 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,160 and became absolutely terrified and went. 93 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,160 Terror also enveloped psychic investigator Bob Dolby. 94 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,160 And it would not go away. 95 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,160 I was conducting an investigation expecting nothing at all. 96 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,160 I was about to leave. 97 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,160 When just by the vampire walls and the stairs leading down, 98 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,160 I saw this huge black cloud. 99 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,160 And to me it seemed probably the hugest and blackest, deepest thing I'd ever seen. 100 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,160 Dolby claims the black cloud, what he terms the evil entity, 101 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,160 trail him through the castle then followed him back to his house nearby. 102 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,160 That same night he tried to use a Ouija board to make contact with the terrifying presence. 103 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,160 Is there anybody there? 104 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,160 Hi. 105 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,160 Yes. 106 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,160 The glass moved erratically around the board, which was very unusual at the time. 107 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,160 And then she made herself known. She popped up. 108 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,160 Isabelle. 109 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,160 She struck as a very evil little girl. 110 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,160 Through the Ouija board, they met a little girl named Isabelle, 111 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:02,160 who revealed that she was the bastard child of a disinherited pomeroy from the 17th century. 112 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:08,160 The Dolbys believed she spoke through the board and then actually appeared hours later in the Dolby bedroom. 113 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,160 I actually went to bed early and left the group downstairs experimenting with the Ouija board. 114 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,160 And actually had the experience of somebody sitting on the back of my legs while I was lying on the bed. 115 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Thinking it was Bob messing about, I told him to get off, turned around and it was actually a little girl with just a manic grin on her face. 116 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Well, they both came to see me the next afternoon. They were so terrified. 117 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,160 And I can tell you that they were frozen with shock. 118 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:40,160 There are hundreds of stories like these, all pointing to a bizarre force that permeates these ancient limestone walls. 119 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:45,160 For Tony Cornell, these subjective accounts demand an objective investigation. 120 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:53,160 To me, this is probably, I go far as I say it is, the most haunted castle in England. 121 00:08:53,160 --> 00:09:02,160 I'm glad you brought me here. You're opening my eyes and I think that I should go back and suggest that we get in touch with British heritage 122 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,160 and that we do a serious investigation over a period of time. 123 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:10,160 There is something pretty potent here. There's a very evil force. 124 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:16,160 And if ever you encounter it, I'm going to Barry Pomeroy. Get out quick. 125 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:26,160 Based on the preliminary findings of our investigation, Tony Cornell believes that Barry Pomeroy Castle deserves a full-scale long-term study. 126 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:37,160 The problem is access. British heritage, the trustees of Barry Pomeroy Castle are not believers and so far have denied all requests for an intensive investigation. 127 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Coming up next, are they eyewitnesses to an historic phenomenon or have their memories been shaped by Hollywood? 128 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,160 We just have to trust our hearts and kind of sift through all this and find out who's telling the truth. 129 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:57,160 If creatures from an alien civilization are here on Earth, what do they look like? How do they get here? 130 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,160 These questions are now being answered by two distinct groups. 131 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:06,160 First, the artists and writers who create the pop culture version of our cosmic cousins. 132 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:13,160 And the people who believe that they have actual first-hand knowledge, the eyewitnesses and abductees. 133 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:19,160 Strangely, both groups have similar visions. So who's influencing whom? 134 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:24,160 The thing you'll never forget when you look into the face of these things is the eyes. 135 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,160 Very large, intimidating black eyes. 136 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,160 Very small opening for a mouth, no ears. 137 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:37,160 Tremendous head, very thin body, long arms. 138 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:45,160 They're called greys. Abductees insist these are the real aliens and that they're a far cry from what Hollywood depicts. 139 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,160 And for the most part, they're right. 140 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:57,160 The creatures created by generations of sci-fi writers and illustrators are far more fantastically slender, featureless humanoids reported by abductees. 141 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:05,160 But it is this dark-eyed face that has come to dominate the public's conception of what a real extraterrestrial looks like. 142 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:13,160 The more people know about what aliens are expected to look like, the more they're likely to describe an alien as looking like that preconceived idea. 143 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:18,160 It's a self-feeding kind of a thing. In ten years, there won't be any kind of alien except a gray. 144 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:26,160 Are supposed eyewitnesses seeing the true face of aliens, or is their vision influenced by popular culture? 145 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:35,160 I think it's both. I think it's definitely both. And that we just have to trust our hearts and kind of sift through all this and find out who's telling the truth and who isn't. 146 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:42,160 The rise of this alien archetype coincides with the increasing number of supposed abductees. 147 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,160 But is there evidence that depictions of grays predate the abduction phenomenon? 148 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,160 The grays, I think, are not a modern idea. 149 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:58,160 Science fiction illustrator and historian Ron Miller has traced the depiction of grays in popular culture. 150 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,160 He's unearthed suggestive artwork from the 19th century. 151 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:12,160 It comes from fairy tales, science fiction, film, a lot of sources that go back decades, even a century or more. 152 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:23,160 From the earliest sort of realistic depictions of an alien, I have from a book that was published in 1884, which shows the mummified body of a Martian. 153 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:30,160 In fact, there's a startling resemblance to the modern picture of an alien. 154 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,160 But those early drawings are just a needle in the science fiction haystack. 155 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:42,160 Thousands of creatures, from the sublime to the utterly ridiculous, have been created by artists who use a little science and a lot of imagination. 156 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:51,160 Science fiction reached a creative peak in the 1950s, when an atmosphere of anything goes produced hundreds of outlandish movies that seemed laughable. 157 00:12:52,160 --> 00:13:02,160 But that all changed in 1964, when a New Hampshire couple, Betty and Barney Hill, were the first to claim publicly that they had been abducted by aliens. 158 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,160 This is a composite of what they look like. 159 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Lodger eyes, smaller nose, no lips, no protruding part of the ear, no hair, and a gray tone to the skin. 160 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Uphologists embrace the Hill case as a significant turning point, but author James Oberg believes it was TV, not a real ET, that influenced the Hills. 161 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,160 A lot of Betty's memories are directly traceable back to a movie called Invaders from Mars. 162 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:37,160 Many of the themes, many of the imageries from that film, appear in almost recognizable form in Betty's story. 163 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:46,160 In the account there was kidnapping, being taken on board and flying saucer, there were needles being inserted into people's brains or other parts of their bodies. 164 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:57,160 Barney Hill's recollections of the abduction differed from Betty's in one significant detail. Barney claimed the aliens had huge eyes, the same kind of eyes depicted in this episode of The Outer Limits. 165 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:03,160 The unique feature here is these wraparound eyes, the eyeballs that move off to this forehead, off to the side of the head. 166 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:18,160 It was very original, and yet less than two weeks after this face first appeared on television, Barney Hill, under hypnosis, suddenly remembered that his aliens had eyes like that, had eyes that wrapped around. 167 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:30,160 Was it cause and effect? Did he see the show? Was his memory polluted by this Hollywood version? Can't prove it. But the sequence is highly suggestive. 168 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:39,160 I think it's very possible that these beings are able to control how we perceive them and perceive the experience that we're sharing with them, that they're very much able to manipulate it. 169 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:47,160 Artist Steve Neal also believes that he's been abducted and that his art is drawn from first-hand experience. 170 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:58,160 It's difficult to say why the gray look, the black-eyed, bubble-headed look has become so dominant for any other reason that these are the beings that are visiting here. 171 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:06,160 The one event that catapulted the cult of the grays into mass acceptance can be summed up in two words, Steven Spielberg. 172 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:13,160 His landmark 1977 blockbuster, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, has been seen by more than 100 million Americans. 173 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:21,160 Close Encounters, for good or evil, had an enormous effect on what people expected aliens to look like. 174 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:31,160 If anything really focused all these disparate threads into one sort of standard alien, it was Close Encounters. 175 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:38,160 Spielberg himself was picking up all these loose threads in the descriptions he based them on that Heineck provided him with. 176 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,160 Or, of course, based on once again a long tradition of ideas and images. 177 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,160 We would still be having maybe more variety in aliens now, the headman for that movie. 178 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,160 Joe Alves was the production designer for Close Encounters. 179 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,160 His original drawings were based on the early abductee accounts collected by Professor J. Allen Heining. 180 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:05,160 I think what was unique about Close Encounters is it was science fiction and yet in a sense it wasn't because we weren't manufacturing something that was convenient. 181 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:16,160 We took these things from all the encounters that we could record and sort of put it into the funnel and it came out with these kind of images. 182 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:24,160 An alien that does not look like a human being is quite likely to scare the bejesus out of us. 183 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:32,160 There has been a very definite evolution from the bug-eyed monster of the 30s. 184 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:39,160 Gradually you came into less monstrous looking aliens, but still aliens. 185 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:49,160 And I think the biggest shock was around the late 50s when we began to get these reports of direct alien contacts. 186 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Kelly Freese, known as the Dean of Science Fiction Illustrators, is disturbed by today's dominance of the Greys. 187 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:04,160 In a career spanning more than five decades, Freese has created a rich palette of creatures he believes may be out there somewhere. 188 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:10,160 I hate to think that the universe is so dull that that's the best it can come up with. 189 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:19,160 Are we supposed to assume that only one race managed to accomplish space flight and come to the Earth? 190 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:25,160 Or are there more races out there? If so, what do the other races look like? 191 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:31,160 Admittedly, there are similarities between abductee accounts and old television shows. 192 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:38,160 But considering the vast number of creatures created in this century, perhaps the similarities are coincidence, not deliberate deception. 193 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:45,160 Science Fiction tries to create believable characters and abductees believe that in a few instances they've gotten it right. 194 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:52,160 Abductees believe that they have seen the face of an alien civilization and this is it. 195 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:58,160 But Dr. Alvin Lawson, who has studied the abduction phenomenon for more than ten years, suggests another possibility. 196 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,160 Perhaps abductees are actually remembering their own birth experiences. 197 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:14,160 With a surgical mask covering the nose and the mouth and bright operating room lights behind, could a human face look like this to a newborn? 198 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,160 Next on Sightings, experts offer a guide to a ghostly encounter. 199 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:24,160 The first thing that they'll say is, you're going to think I'm crazy, but I don't think you're crazy. I've heard it all before. 200 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:37,160 During this week leading up to All Hallows Eve, Halloween, legend has it that the spirits of the dead are allowed to roam freely on the Earth. 201 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,160 What would you do if you were suddenly confronted by what seemed to be a ghost? 202 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:51,160 We're often asked by viewers how to document a haunting. So we went to our experts on this most haunted of holidays and here's what they advise. 203 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:05,160 The first thing that they'll say is, you're going to think I'm crazy, but this is going on and I tell them no. I don't think you're crazy. I've heard it all before. 204 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:11,160 Al Rober is a psychical researcher with over 25 years of experience investigating the paranormal. 205 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Rober's studies of haunting phenomena have taken him around the world in pursuit of hard evidence. 206 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:26,160 Rober's interest in ghosts and spirits stems from his personal belief that every living being contains energy that does not die when the physical body dies. 207 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:33,160 Every one of us is made up of energy. Now when we die, what happens? Do we go into a box six feet in the ground and that energy stays there? 208 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:41,160 I don't think so. The energy has to go someplace. I think in cases of hauntings, somehow this energy stays behind. 209 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:48,160 After years of investigation, Rober has developed a checklist for anyone who believes they have seen or felt a ghost. 210 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:55,160 The first thing to do is to start keeping a log. Put down what happened, the length of time that had happened. 211 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:04,160 Put them who was there in the room at the time of the experience. If there's four people present, could all four people experience it? 212 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:10,160 If the activity seems to happen more often around one certain individual, that should be noted. 213 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:20,160 Or in certain areas of the house, the person should drop a floor plan of the house and mark each area where activity is taking place and what activity took place there. 214 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:30,160 Have a camera ready, preferably a Polaroid camera, or a tape recorder ready. Be ready to get evidence and get tangible evidence of your haunting. 215 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:36,160 In addition to recording every aspect of your experience, Rober suggests doing some outside research. 216 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:44,160 Find out everything you can about the history of your house, the land it sits on, and other ghost phenomena that have been reported nearby. 217 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,160 If the haunting continues and is frightening to you, Rober suggests contacting the psychic. 218 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:58,160 There are those psychics that claim that they can actually absorb the spirit into their own person and then release it at a later time through meditation. 219 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:06,160 Although psychics can help, Rober believes that the best way to deal with the haunting is to embrace it as a once in a lifetime experience. 220 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:12,160 I would tell them to attempt to learn to coexist with it for the time being. 221 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:21,160 If they can coexist with it, if they can somehow reduce their own tensions, then I think what they'll find is the activity will decrease. 222 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:30,160 One more important step is to look for any natural occurrences that could explain away the haunting. 223 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,160 In particular, the site's proximity to high-tension wires. 224 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:41,160 The physical effects of EMF, electromagnetic fields, are hotly debated, but it does seem to have an influence in many haunting cases. 225 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,160 When sightings continues. 226 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:50,160 We don't go and put a gun to your head. We take your name, we put it in the pot, and then you will drop dead somewhere in the street. 227 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:57,160 Inside the world of Santoria and Palo, then deadly effects of the moon and the water which is gift. 228 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:12,160 The day after the invasion of Panama in 1989, US forces discovered a strange house in the Panamanian jungle owned by then-General Manuel Noriega. 229 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,160 Inside, rooms had been turned into occult shrines. 230 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:26,160 There were remains from animal sacrifices, jars filled with blood, bone and herbs, and cryptic curses defaming Noriega's enemies, including then-President George Bush. 231 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:34,160 It was a rare glimpse at the international power of a little-known and much misunderstood religion called Santoria. 232 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:47,160 What started as a small sect of wildly devout worshipers in one African tribe has spread significantly across the Atlantic to Cuba than Miami. 233 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:55,160 And now, the power of Santoria is felt from New York to Los Angeles, from Caracas to Tierra del Fuego. 234 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:01,160 Fostered by slave trading in the last century, and exposure to Catholicism in this century. 235 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:07,160 The religion was originally practiced by the Yoruba in what is today southwestern Nigeria, mainly. 236 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:18,160 When the Yoruba came to Cuba as slaves, they had to make certain adaptations to the environment, and the resulting religion is Santoria. 237 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:31,160 But when East met West, some centeros split from the largely benign practices of Santorio to form Palo, a religion that turned spirits into demons and corpses into objects of worship. 238 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,160 We have to have an actual spirit that will do our bidding. 239 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:46,160 So there are ceremonies where they go into the cemetery and they disinterer a body, and they ask if they can use that spirit of that corpse. 240 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:58,160 And if the spirit of that corpse says yes that it will do what the Palo asks, then yes, we take different pieces of bone from it, whether it's the skull, fingertip bones, or shin bones. 241 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,160 And we incorporate those into the pot. 242 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:12,160 The dark rituals of Palo are often confused with Santoria, because to satisfy the spirits, both religions practice animal sacrifice. 243 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,160 We don't kill cats and dogs, okay? No pets. 244 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:25,160 We use goats, we use lambs, and chickens, and we do eat these animals. 245 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:33,160 We don't torture the animal. The person who does the animal sacrifice is trained so that the animal is killed instantly. 246 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:40,160 Santoria and Palo also share a belief in the power of spirit possession. 247 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:47,160 In Santoria, spirits called orishas are summoned through music and prayer, and are believed to enter the bodies of the worshippers. 248 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:56,160 They shave your head, they cut a small cut in your scalp, and implant actually the essence of the orisha, the power of the orisha inside your head. 249 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:03,160 You become known as Iyawo. Iyawo means the wife of the orisha, even if you're male, you're still the wife of the orisha. 250 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:11,160 Once you go into the room of the initiation, you feel the vibes, you feel the energies, that's something different. 251 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:21,160 During these initiation ceremonies, believers enter an altered state where their mind and body are given over to the orisha. 252 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,160 Santeros believe that in this altered state, miracles can happen. 253 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:32,160 Jackie Rodriguez, a Cuban-American baptized in the Catholic Church, was initiated into Santoria at 22. 254 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,160 She was looking for hope and healing after a series of difficult miscarriages. 255 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:46,160 The doctors said that I should stop trying to have babies because it was going to be worse for me or I was going to cause some kind of complication. 256 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:52,160 Jackie believes it was the power of her orisha that helped her sustain a new life within her. 257 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,160 Well, when I went to the doctor, I was scared when he said I was pregnant. 258 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,160 I said, oh no, you know, because I was already scared of losing them. 259 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:04,160 And he said, well, this one looks like it's pretty good and it looks okay. Your pregnancy looks well. 260 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,160 And I was shocked, the doctor was shocked as well. 261 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,160 Jackie's son is now eight years old and a Santoria initiate. 262 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:17,160 Jackie herself has become a priestess and is dedicated to helping others use Santoria for good. 263 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,160 Anybody can be initiated. 264 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:25,160 The religion has people from all kinds of social backgrounds. It is a family religion. 265 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:31,160 With more than five million members in the U.S., Santoria tries to distance itself from polo, 266 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,160 where the power of the orishas is used for evil. 267 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:40,160 The same rituals that create life for Santeros are used to curse and even kill through polo. 268 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:46,160 We don't go and put a gun to your head. What we do is we take your name, we put it in the pot, and we do our ceremonies. 269 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,160 And then you will drop dead somewhere in the street. 270 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,160 But I want to stress to you that the majority of the paletos do not do evil. 271 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,160 Usually, most of the spells they do is to cure and heal people. 272 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,160 The only time you actually see them doing evil is in self-defense with somebody else is trying to hurt them. 273 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:12,160 The centerpiece for polo ceremonies is the enganga, an iron cauldron filled with ritual items like herbs, nails, and sometimes human remains. 274 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:18,160 This ceremonial soup is thought to attract the orishas who are thought to spring from the enganga. 275 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,160 When you're dealing with this elemental force, it's very dangerous. 276 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,160 If you don't know what you're doing, you can hurt yourself, you see. 277 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,160 So when I go and do a spell on somebody, I go in front of my pot and I ask my pot, 278 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,160 am I justified in doing this spell for this person? 279 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:39,160 If the pot tells me no, no matter how much money, no matter how much they try to persuade me, I will not do it. 280 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:45,160 Engangas have led to the popular but erroneous belief that human sacrifices are part of Santoria and Polo. 281 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,160 Poleros insist the innocent have nothing to fear from their practices. 282 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:57,160 Jim Dibble was the US Army's leading occult expert when he came face to face with the dark side of Polo 283 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,160 during a raid on the so-called Witch House of Manuel Noriega. 284 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:12,160 Upon entering this house located in Fort Amador, it became apparent to me that in fact what we were looking at was not drugs. 285 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:18,160 But what it was were manifestations of a more deviant practicing of Santoria. 286 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,160 The house was devoted to Polo and black magic. 287 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:30,160 Along the items, a split cow's tongue nailed shut and buried in rice inside the names of Noriega's enemies. 288 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:37,160 When I first was able to discover that these items were linked directly to Noriega, I was astounded. 289 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:45,160 Not only because a world leader was bound by these beliefs, guided by these beliefs, 290 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:51,160 but this is the first time I have been able to see these types of examples, these manifestations in reality. 291 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,160 Hundreds of politicians and world leaders were named in curses called workings. 292 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:03,160 I encountered a number of workings that involved George Bush. 293 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,160 Typically George Bush's name would be written on a piece of paper. 294 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:15,160 And then this piece of paper would be placed either in gelatin or in cornmeal. 295 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:22,160 And then wrapped in the case of cornmeal, it would be wrapped in a banana leaf, tied securely and placed in the freezer. 296 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:29,160 It's not hard to see that Noriega was trying to influence the way George Bush thought about him and the way he acted against him. 297 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:35,160 Noriega believed these workings empowered him and that he could control his enemies through the spells he cast. 298 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:41,160 They could use a spell to sweeten you. They could use a spell to make your life a bit of misery. 299 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,160 They could use the spell to bring you good fortune. 300 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:57,160 And judging from what was done there, I would say that these were spells used to control, to put these people under his control so they would do his bidding. 301 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:06,160 While Polo continues to operate in the shadows, Santaria has an open door policy and is accessible through neighborhood botanicas. 302 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:16,160 You find all kinds of really interesting paraphernalia here, which is really the basis for the religion. 303 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:26,160 Cady here is the owner of this botanica. She has an increasing number of Americans becoming involved and interested in Santaria and Palo. 304 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:35,160 Santaria has no aspect that needs to be feared by people that live in the United States. 305 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:43,160 But certainly it has an aspect that could be manipulated for destructive purposes. 306 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:54,160 They say man is only afraid of what he doesn't know. Once you know what Palo is, you really shouldn't be afraid of it because all Palo is, is a religion of natural elements. 307 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,160 That's all we work with is with nature. 308 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:09,160 I think the most important thing is that we're not here to hurt anybody. We're just here to help those who we can help and who the Eureka's let us help. 309 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:17,160 As the American military's leading authority on the occult, James Dibble would seem to be a prime target for the wrath of Santeros. 310 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:24,160 Dibble has experienced some unusual occurrences, mostly mechanical and electrical malfunctions while he's lecturing about the occult. 311 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,160 But so far he has escaped the deadly curse of Palo Mayan Bay. 312 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:35,160 Coming up next on Sighting This, some nights you'll get people talking to street lights, you know, barking like dogs. 313 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,160 Things go a little crazy at the time of Full Moon. 314 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:51,160 For millennia, humankind has looked to the moon with wonder and awe. Our nearest neighbor in space has inspired lovers, scientists and madmen. 315 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,160 In fact, the word lunatic has at its root the Latin word for moon. 316 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:03,160 The moon's effect on our planet can be measured with the tides. But what about its effect on human beings? 317 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:18,160 If the Simpson crime had happened 400 years ago, people finding two badly mutilated bodies with animal footprints because a dog was present in the scene, they might have said, you know, werewolves. 318 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:33,160 The LA riots was, I think, three days before the new moon. O.J. Simpson happened three days after the new moon. The Bobbit incident happened three days after the new moon, both at night, both using a knife. 319 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:43,160 It is a beautiful sight. The Full Moon rising high in the night sky. But while the moon casts its heavenly glow, it seems all hell breaks loose on Earth. 320 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:52,160 During the Full Moon, reports of murder, violence and admissions to psychiatric hospitals all rise. Many scientists say Moon madness is myth. 321 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,160 But at the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, calls come in daily insisting there is a link. 322 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:10,160 If you ask emergency personnel, police, fire, doctors, what influence does the moon have, they'll all tell you for certain things go a little crazy at the time of Full Moon. 323 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:19,160 Tonight, yeah, we had a guy that apparently was trying to kill himself and stuck himself in the stomach with a steak knife all the way up to the handle and was running around the house. 324 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:26,160 And when the officers got there, they were trying to calm him down and his main concern was that he wanted a cigarette. 325 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,160 Sightings rode along with police in Pomona, California during one recent Full Moon. 326 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:48,160 This city is pretty weird as it is. I never really consciously thought about it. I'm sure there's probably been one or two nights where the city was jumping and if I would have looked up, it probably would have been full. 327 00:33:48,160 --> 00:34:00,160 Some nights you'll get five or six, what we call, 5150s, people walking in traffic, talking to street lights, barking like dogs. 328 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:10,160 People who supposedly transform into animals are nothing new. They're just the modern chapter in an age-old belief in the moon's ability to bring out the beast within humankind. 329 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:16,160 More than 1,000 years ago, moon rituals would transform participants into what we now call werewolves. 330 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:27,160 They would do this by either drinking a concoction of herbs. They would very often bind their waste with a pelt of wolfskin. 331 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:39,160 They would light a fire and urinate in a circle around it. And there was a chat where they actually asked the wolf spirit to enter into their body and take over their soul. 332 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,160 Preferably this was done at the full of the moon when the moon was at its zenith. 333 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,160 But did the moon cause their transformation or simply illuminated? 334 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:57,160 The connection of the werewolf to the full moon probably begins with just the notion that wolves and coyotes howl at the moon. 335 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:06,160 That linked up with the idea that the moon is always changing and it seems like a supernatural transformation to traditional people. 336 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:12,160 And so that can create the notion that something like a wolf could change into a man or vice versa. 337 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:20,160 Forensic scientist and crime historian E.J. Wagner documents the link between the moon and its reported gruesome effects on people. 338 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:33,160 There was a 14-year-old boy named Jean Grenet who confessed to being a werewolf and said he'd attacked and killed several children and incarcerated him in a monastery for the rest of his life. 339 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,160 And he spent the rest of his life groveling on off of the wall for us. Would he dally raw meat? Would he tore apart? 340 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:47,160 There's no close correlation between the phase of the moon and human behavior. People often think that there must be because the moon makes the tides. 341 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:55,160 That's water and of course human beings are 80% water. But tidal forces on human beings are much less than on the earth. 342 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,160 In fact, a book I have in my hand would exert more tidal force than the moon ever would. 343 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,160 But consider these unsettling acts conducted during a full moon. 344 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:12,160 An AP Wire Story on April 11, 1982 reports 12 murders in 12 hours. 345 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:18,160 A man in England insists that the full moon drove him to commit gruesome crimes. And the list goes on. 346 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:24,160 There has yet to be a single comprehensive scientific study on the lunar effect on human beings. 347 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:32,160 But anecdotal evidence is pervasive pointing to a rise in suicide, crime, arson, earthquakes and other earth changes. 348 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:42,160 In Miami, Florida, Jeff Warren Hyman studies lunar cycles and charts their effects. His newsletter uses this data to predict high and low points for each month. 349 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:50,160 If you're looking for the explosive period, it's one day after the full moon. The eve of the full moon to one day after and about five days before new moon through one day after new moon. 350 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,160 This is where you really see the, this is where they go to town. 351 00:36:53,160 --> 00:37:08,160 There are only anecdotes and theories for now. But as Nobel Prize winner Robert Millican has said, if man is not affected in some way by the planet's sun and moon, he is the only thing on earth that isn't. 352 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,160 Next on Sightings, a mysterious ability succeeds where science fails. 353 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:19,160 I don't know of many well-dreaders nowadays that don't use a witcher. Before I did, now I don't. 354 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:32,160 When astronomers look for the shape of the universe, they use radio telescopes. When geneticists look deep inside DNA, they use supercomputers. 355 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:40,160 And when drilling engineers look for water, they also call in someone special, someone who uses something like this. 356 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:52,160 There's no way in the world that you can explain it, except that it's something mysterious and it's wonderful and it works. 357 00:37:52,160 --> 00:38:00,160 The search for water is the search for life, and dousing, our most ancient method of finding water, is still in constant use today. 358 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:08,160 Scientists have yet to invent an instrument that can locate water more accurately than the forked stick depicted in this 16th century woodcut. 359 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:18,160 There's no earthly reason to believe that dousing doesn't go way back to maybe the stone age, because it's so practical. 360 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:29,160 Many dousers, also called water witches, believe that the divine rod itself is not powerful, but that it acts as an indicator of the psychic power within each individual douser. 361 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:38,160 I think of all the psychic abilities, like clairvoyance or telepathy, there is other dousing is the most accessible. 362 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:47,160 But the source of their ability is as individual as each water witch. In Northern Georgia, Bob Slack has doused successfully for over 17 years. 363 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,160 Most dousers believe they have guardian angels or guides that help them get this information. 364 00:38:52,160 --> 00:39:04,160 And I figured that the guides get this message to my subconscious, and the subconscious takes over so that the pendulum or the rods react as they do. 365 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:13,160 Bob uses L-shaped rods made of bronze and copper that he believes will turn and twist in his hands in the presence of water. 366 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:19,160 When the rods cross, like so, that's a yes answer. 367 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,160 If they don't cross and you ask a question, the answer is no. 368 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:31,160 There's one vein that's flowing off to my right. Right there we are. 369 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:38,160 After locating what he believes is a water source, Bob uses a pendulum to divine how deep the engineer should drill. 370 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:44,160 More than 100 feet? No. 90, 80, 70, 60. 371 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:53,160 Our sightings crew watched as Bob placed a marker on the spot where his divining rods indicated water would be found. Then we drilled. 372 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,160 I don't believe 100% in them, but I don't disbelieve in them. 373 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:03,160 But Jack Byers became a believer when he hit water, exactly where the water witch said he would. 374 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,160 Skeptics argue that if you drill deep enough, you can find water anywhere, with or without dowsing. 375 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,160 But drillers here in the Great Western Desert haven't found that to be true. 376 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,160 Dry holes mean empty pockets. 377 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,160 Water witching is very practical, especially in this country. 378 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:29,160 If you drill a dry hole, you know, you're looking at 5,000 to 10,000 plus dollars. 379 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,160 I didn't know what a water witch was, and yet I knew it worked for me. 380 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:41,160 People would ask me and I'd say, I have no idea how it works. I just know that it works. 381 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,160 When they drill well, there's water there. 382 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,160 In 40 years of dowsing, Eldon Schmootz claims he's only missed three times. 383 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,160 A simple willow branch in his hand succeeds where geology maps fail. 384 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,160 Even the state of Utah has come to trust his stunning dowsing powers. 385 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:10,160 If I'm holding that stick really tight, it'll go in my hand as it goes down, the bark of the willow against the flesh of my hand. 386 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:17,160 Once Schmootz chooses a drilling site, he uses a coil of bailing wire to determine the depth at which water can be found. 387 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:23,160 286 is the next strata to write down. 388 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,160 Got it. 389 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:32,160 I started writing down these depths, and it really amazed me. He's only a foot or two off. 390 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,160 And he tells me before I drill. 391 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,160 Schmootz believes his is a physical power rather than a psychic gift. 392 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:50,160 Everybody has a Nora or an electrical field or magnetic field about them, and there's no two that are alike. 393 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,160 Just like there's no two fingerprints or alike. 394 00:41:53,160 --> 00:42:00,160 And those persons who have a strong, strong aura are the one that water witching works for. 395 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:06,160 You hold it as tight as you can. You're a water witch. 396 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,160 I don't know of many weld drillers nowadays that don't use a witcher. 397 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,160 It's just a natural thing now. I don't even question it anymore. 398 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:20,160 Before I did, now I don't. So even us old guys get our education. 399 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,160 You're in, guys. Think we're founder. 400 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,160 That's good. 401 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,160 We're deep enough. 402 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,160 Yeah, that's great. Just like that. 403 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:42,160 The American Society of Dowsers has 3,500 members in all 50 states. 404 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:49,160 The roster of clients includes some of the biggest names in drilling and construction, including many large oil companies. 405 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:56,160 But when we queried these companies about their use of dowsing, they refused to comment publicly. 406 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:05,160 If you've had a paranormal experience, call the Sightings Hotline at 19033 Sight. 407 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,160 That's 190337444. 408 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,160 Each call 65 cents a minute, average call last three minutes. 409 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,160 Sightings is also online. Our email addresses sightings at aol.com. 410 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:23,160 Until next time, remember, no mystery is closed to an open mind. 411 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,160 For Sightings, I'm Tim White. 412 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,160 Sightings is open to all.